Reactions: Raffy. Mag. Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. The .280 AI is a standard SAAMI cartridge (thanks to Nosler) It costs nothing more to chamber to the AI version than the original .280 Rem cartridge. Some of us just like something different. Out of what I'm looking at, it comes chambered in 308, 280 AI, 30-06, and 270. 5 Great Scout Rifles. Is it too much for you to shoot all day? According to the 4-to-1 Rule,m amounts to a about a 1.5% advantage in velocity, when both rounds are loaded to the same pressure in the same barrel length. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for taking any hoofed game in … A Tikka T3 weighs just a hair over 6 lbs; Featherweight right at 7 lbs. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. I prefer the 280 ai. Perfect for larger deer with the 140's and a real elk and moose buster with the 160's. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. I allws thought the 7 WSM was the best of the bunch, but interstet has kind of died in the WSM's..I had a 257 AI once and ity was a pain to fire form case and couldn't tell that is was any better than the Bob, only advantage was not much case trimming.I shoot the std 280 Remington and like it a lot. Don't know if the kimber is twisted fast enough for 7mm 150 long range accubonds but should be fine with 140 grain accubond or 160 partitions. Recoil is mild, less than my 10.5# unbraked.260 pushing a 140 @ 2850. But why? Thousands upon thousands of animals have been taken worldwide with the Jarrett Rifle in .280 … PX Member. I'd happily do a .280AI again but I'd want an 7-1/2 to 8 … I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. Because the .280 AI has less muzzle blast, less recoil, and more rounds snugged into that box magazine, for starters. Also, you have the advantage of shooting regular 280 ammo in a pinch. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. more energy than the .280 Remington and about 150 ft.-lbs. The .280AI has about about a 6% powder capacity advantage over the standard .280, given the same brass fire-formed. Minuteman. You’re talking about a cartridge suitable for a wide variety of game without the recoil of a magnum round. to a 280 AI if that is required. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. Great price. Mag. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Sniperwannabee CWO. ... Use it for hunting and long range steel shooting. SOLD Caliber Info:.280 … The cartridge is more than capable of taking large game like elk and moose, but it can do so with less powder and less recoil than magnum cartridges like the 7mm Rem. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … A finely crafted and outstanding rifle. For your security, I'd happily do a .280AI again but I'd want an 7-1/2 to 8 … Nosler ~ Custom ~ .280 AI Description: Nosler Custom rifle .280 AI. The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. The .280 Sherman is ****-near a 7mmRM, but uses a standard '06 bolt face action. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). The contents of the Alaska Outdoors Supersite 28 Nosler vs 280 AI. I have been on the fence for awhile about jumping from the 280 to the 280 AI. I shot the 7RM as my primary rifle for nearly 40 years, now that I have a 280 AI the magnum only gets taken out of the safe for occasional fondling. Tikka would be fine if u can find one the Winchester in a 7-08 is a other hard one to find. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. Handloads performance is equal or better than a 7mm mag. I have shot a lot of 7mm08, 280 AI & some 7mm Rem Mag. The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. Plenty for deer and elk and not bad on recoil. Learn more! Here's a few quickies. The 165/168 gr's are able to put 2100 + ft-lbs out too 300 yards,,, 2200 ft-lbs with the AI case. normal factory 280 rem is held to a lower psi because of the weaker pumps and auto loaders made in the past. Mag., 150-grain bullet, 3,248 fps: 29.16 f-p recoil energy, 16.37 fps recoil velocity. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. Also, and in general, rifles chambered for the 280 Ackley will usually weigh less mostly do to barrel contours offered. A little on the heavy side, but recoil is almost non existent . Take off 100-150 fps and 10 grains of bullet weight compared to 280 AI ... recoil would be just a little less distracting. The 284/280/280AI recoil is significantly greater than a 6.5CM. One thing that drew me to the 280 AI was first, I have an AI itch. I really kinda narrowed it down to the 280 AI and the 308. By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. Outstanding wood with RH palm swell, superb fit and finish. The .280 Ackley Improved (.280 AI) was registered with SAAMI in 2007 by Nosler. Anyway, I'd probably go with the .280 AI. I have been on the fence for awhile about jumping from the 280 to the 280 AI. This page was generated at 1 minute ago. If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. Lots of CZ 550's out there too. You can buy a 700 30-06 and re-barrel, and make it the way you want. It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. The .280 Improved has been our best seller for 8 years. T3 lite is a handy little gun. The 280AI also has a very high "Cool Factor". for a free forum account |  Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership |, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307769604, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308522858, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307841390, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308571726, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308041951, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308052355. Don't know if the kimber is twisted fast enough for 7mm 150 long range accubonds but should be fine with 140 grain accubond or 160 partitions. Recoil and muzzle blast is comparable to 270-30 06. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. If you need a 280 AI have a smith ream out the chamber on a 7/08 and use a long magazine. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. the new AI is set at 65,000 psi and the 7mm rem mag is at 61,000 psi. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. in a strong rifle (most modern bolt gun) loaded to is full potential it will give better the the 270win. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." 280 AI, 150-grain bullet, 3,100 fps: 26.86 f-p recoil energy, 15.7 fps recoil velocity. The 280 AI gives you heavier bullet options than the .270 Win. Search continues I guess I missed out on a good deal on weatherby ultralight in a 7-08. If she doesn't care for the recoil of a 308, I doubt she will enjoy a 280AI. .280 Ackley Improved Like many calibers, the .280 Ackley Improved (AI) is underrated only by those who have never used it. To closer bridge the gap, I would look into the .280 Sherman. August 2, 2006. Both still to be found in 6.5x55...Too heavy? Before spending 1500-2000 on a custom, try a Tikka for around 650.00, smith could ream the chamber for around 200. Recoil Levels in 7-pound Rifles. Mag. But 7mm bullets of the same weight and shape have higher ballistic coefficients. Now with several companies making chambering the round I think I'm ready to make the jump even thought it might not be the ideal time. Why does everyone love the 280 AI? This 360-page book is a great resource for any Alaska moose hunter, regardless of experience level. Welcome! Great velocity but at what kind of pressures? Custom reticle Leupold scope, crisp trigger, decelerator recoil pad. less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. The 7mm Rem Mag load above still has about 3% more free recoil energy than the faster .280 AI load. I have two rifles i've been eyeing one is the Kimber Montana and the other is the Montana Rifle Company E3. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. ... light synthetic stock, spendy trigger, thick recoil lug, spendy scope. I shoot a 260, would not consider a Creed. Why not just go to the 7MM Remington or Weatherby? Select a light load of a relatively fast powder (IMR4895 is great) from the standard .280 Remington data. The 6.5 swede is a great idea but finding one in a light rifle will prove difficult as well. Kyle kills a nice 6x6 Bull at 325 yards. All Tikka have a long action regardles of caliber. Slippin' in that full power cartridge might get ya a night on the couch ! When it’s time to head to the deer stand, I could grab a .30-06 or .243. Life member NRA I prefer classic. Great price. The 140 TSX gave me the best accuracy using IMR 4831 but its temp sensitive the LRX and GMX I couldnt get to fly. Because the .280 AI has less muzzle blast, less recoil, and more rounds snugged into that box magazine, for starters. I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. The combination of high BC’s combined with mild recoil, have made the .280 and .280 Ackley Improved wildcat, highly favored cartridges for long range hunters wanting to build light and set limits on recoil accordingly, recoil to both the shooter and rifle platform. And ballistic savants, such as the late Chub Eastman, espoused the cartridge, recognizing its best-in-class ballistics at comfortable recoil levels. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. All times are GMT-9. Alaska Outdoors Her ruger was heavy she commented on it during a stalk on a bou at one point my buddy was carrying it for her... She lifted my kimber in a 325 she goes that's light.. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. As a long range medium game hunting cartridge, the .280 is limited by the abilities of the shooter to read wind more so than any limitation of cartridge wounding power. The 7RM with bullets 160-190 will out perform the 280s but for general use and average ranges not much difference. Great velocity but at what kind of pressures? The 280s are more economical to load with cheaper brass and less powder used. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. PX Member. the same username and password for all areas. I have read Remington loaded a little light for the Remington autos, but not much difference to the hand loader. The .280 can be built with a long barrel and long free bore to produce both high velocity and low recoil, however it does have its velocity limitations, not weaknesses, but limitations. Messages that specifically relate to shooting in Alaska are welcome. The world, as it is, is vexing enough..." Col. Stonehill. Why not just go to the 7MM Remington or Weatherby? It'll have a 26 Proof barrel, Lone Peak Ti action, Mcmillain stock, TriggerTech trigger, Hawkins Precision metal, and a VX 6 HD 3x18 Leupold. The factory 280 can almost push the limited of the 7mm Mag, the 280 AI can match it. Hunting. I think the 280 AI would be a fun "mini elr" rig and an effective western hunter. I shoot a 358 Winchester, and my 30-06 is getting turned into a 280 AI. My estimate for the .280 AI's about 2000 rounds. Guns. And panache? JD338 _____ The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. I have a 270 it just has seen better days. If I didn't handload, my cartridge choice would be different. I have shot a lot of 7mm08, 280 AI & some 7mm Rem Mag. Re: 280 AI rifles [Re: jlink280] #15401220 11/10/20: Joined: Jan 2005. A little on the heavy side, but recoil is almost non existent . M/L. the rm holds about 8 more grains but with the higher psi the AI comes close to the RM. My trip down the .280 AI path came because I wanted a Kimber and the 84L action housing the .280AI is smaller and lighter than the 8400 action housing the 7mm Rem Mag. At 300 yards, the .280 AI with a 140-grainer delivers about 150 ft.-lbs. All Tikka have a long action regardles of caliber. Select a light load of a relatively fast powder (IMR4895 is great) from the standard .280 Remington data. forums are viewable by anyone, and may be read by clicking the forum headings and a flatter trajectory than the 30-06, pretty good company for a big game cartridge. Register Your actual numbers may vary. I have two 7mm RMs, my personal favorites but the 280AI makes a lot of sense, good velocity without the magnum recoil and typically and extra cartridge in the magazine. I always thought the 7 WSM was the best of the bunch, but interest t has kind of died in the WSM's..I had a 257 AI once and ity was a pain to fire form case and couldn't tell that is was any better than the Bob, only advantage was not much case trimming.I shoot the std 280 Remington and like it a lot. Register I'm over 3000 fps with 160s without pushing things. The Contestants. The advantages the 280 Ackley offer are less recoil, one extra round magazine capacity and last but not least, the 280 Ackley has cool appeal. Will easily shoot deer, pig, goat, sheep size game out to 1000 yards. Feb 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years. It'll have a 26 Proof barrel, Lone Peak Ti action, Mcmillain stock, TriggerTech trigger, Hawkins Precision metal, and a VX 6 HD 3x18 Leupold. When it’s time to head to the deer stand, I could grab a .30-06 or .243. Take off 100-150 fps and 10 grains of bullet weight compared to 280 AI ... recoil would be just a little less distracting. Sniperwannabee CWO. The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. I went through all of this at the end of last year and decided on a custom built 280 ai by TS Custom Rifles in South Dakota. "I do not deal in hypotheticals. There's an article in this web site (link's below) with a barrel life Excel formula based on my original one. It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. Improved, and have loaded and shot a whole bunch of 7mm Remington Magnum, and can attest to the fact that the .280 AI offers a significant reduction in recoil. I have an 8.5 # all up 280 ai on a model 70 action. Feb 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years. The Alaska Shooting Forum is for connecting shooters in the 49th state. If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. below. Custom 280AI with 26barrel 1:9 twist will stabilize the longer 175 and 180gr's too long range, there are lots of quality bullets too choose from for the reloaders. Remember you`re asking rifle loonies a question with no answer..other than maybe "just because". Purchase and Download for $19.99 at the following links: Apple Devices. in a strong rifle (most modern bolt gun) loaded to is full potential it will give better the the 270win. So I'll say this mostly because you said in the first post that you're somewhat new to rifle hunting - whatever you go with, seriously put in some realistic practice if … If The Recoil too much a 7 Mag you can even be had with reduced recoil loads:-) So it really comes down to if the perceived advantages of the AI cartridges really does outweigh the very real disadvantages for the job you're trying to do compared to an already available Factory cartridge. I know the 7 Mag has that much "disliked" belt but I neck size my once fired so it head spaces off the shoulder.The 7MM holds one less in the magazine but not a big deal..I've never had a 280 AI but would think the standard 280 or 7 MM Express would feed more smoothly. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for taking any hoofed game in … The 6.5 CM will however walk all over the 280 AI in the recoil department. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. The 280 AI will be a better LR hunting cartridge because 7mm bullets have higher BC and the 280 AI is launching them faster, so it shoots flatter, almost as good as the 7mm rem mag. That’s not a gigantic difference, but it’s also not nothing either. The interesting thing I found was that my Kimber Montana 7mm08 at 6 lbs scoped is lively in my hands but the felt recoil on my shoulder is still mild. normal factory 280 rem is held to a lower psi because of the weaker pumps and auto loaders made in the past. Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. I hunt elk, mule … I like a flat shooting rifle having grown up hunting senderos in deep South Texas, the 25-06, 243, 22-250 all were common around our hunting camps. It can be measured or computed … your account management area, forums and University require login. Its supposed to be a really accuracte cartridge too and you will end up with prolly a pretty accurate rig since your action will be trued up, assuming its a decent barrel. Tons of 270 wsm out there ranging from kimbers to Tikkas. yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. Your actual numbers may vary. Recoil and muzzle blast is comparable to 270-30 06. Reactions: Raffy. less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a … Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. Minuteman. Is there nothing so sacred on this earth that you aren't willing to kill or die for? It's got a bit more life numbers wise, but it does use the powder burn rating to adjust it. It is popular enough that Nosler both chambers its fine rifles in .280 AI and produces .280 AI in its custom line of ammunition, as well as providing component brass for handloaders that would rather not take the time to fireform cases. Appears as new, beautiful custom build. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. So I'll say this mostly because you said in the first post that you're somewhat new to rifle hunting - whatever you go with, seriously put in some realistic practice if … The advantages the 280 Ackley offer are less recoil, one extra round magazine capacity and last but not least, the 280 Ackley has cool appeal. 280 Ackley, 168 berger vld. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. Loaded to the same pressure their is about 50 FPS difference between the 280 Rem and the 280AI, not worth the trouble to me. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. 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